Tuesday, February 17, 2015


All the feedback from Feb-21st. 2014. yes. 2014. Not 2015. This is from a year ago.
But I think some of it is still valid.

Weirdish Sent Feb 21, 2014

Oh, wow, I'm really .. flattered, I mean it. Sorry I took so long to reply. I hadn't been gaming for the past week or so. And yes, I'd be honoured to beta test someone's game to improvise it as much as possible before launching it out.

WarpZone Sent Feb 21, 2014
To make a broader point, the problem you are experiencing right now is you are tightening up the core gameplay too late in development. As a result, you need to change existing gameplay. This means you need to correct existing levels. Even with the version tagging, as you said, you'd need alternate art to distinguish between button types. (Although, to be honest, the gorgeous dynamic lighting and neon aesthetics you've got going on currently make distinguishing blocks and buttons very difficult-- I've just been ramming buttons and seeing what happens, level by level, then hitting R once I have an understanding of that room's physics.)
Anyway, you needed to find the fun very early on in production. Doing it this late in the game produces extra work for you and your team. Although this particular game and situation might feel highly circumstantial, I assure you, this is a general principle of game design, and occurs in every project. Find the Fun is the very first thing you must do, on every project, whenever possible. Here's why:

Bastendorf Sent Feb 21, 2014
Bug Report
-LevelMap05E Seems to have suffered from that broken thing you were talking about.
-A weird particle effect error on LevelMap02P
-On LevelMap04P jumping into the under side of the 4 blocks that fall, after they come to rest, has an interesting side effect. Actually, on closer inspection, it seems like all falling blocks do the same thing. Confirmed. Though, I don't know if that's intentional, or a bug. It seems to be the same sort of issue as on LevelMap02P.
I love it. Still not something that can be sung along to, and reminds me a lot of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfG09iLCKsM later on in the track (around 1:15), but it's much better than before.
Level Select
It's there, it functions, but it was a little confusing. It was hard to tell the difference between the hards. You have Twitch Hard, Hard Like Hell, and Puzzle Hard. Just a suggestion, but maybe Puzzle Challenge would be better for it.
The bright level is a great improvement, although now you might need a mild seizure warning.
A huge improvement with what little was changed. It's not going to change my mind about the genre, but I am now more than willing to double-5 this game.
I hope it's just a debug feature, because I found out that clicking creates bombs.

Sent Feb 21, 2014

So there's just so very much to cover lets start with the intro paragraph to default!
!.The graffiti font you pick is a pain to read it's just no good. be sure to proofread before you add content I found a typo in the second sentence "though I do not really WAN to code a tutorial".
2.If you don't want to make a tutorial then you should get some pointers from egoraptors video on game design:
I think in this video he hits some major points that your game could be lacking.
3.There's no plot all I can gather is that I'm trying to reach an exit before I get blown up by something. am I trying to rescue someone? am I escaping a research facility? am I a weapon? or a person? what's the catch?
4.Why must the controls be so spaced apart? the movement keys for the character should be WASD if you plan on having mouse controls it's obnoxious trying to reach for the D+CLICK when I'm trying to move the character at the same time.
5.my final gripe for tonight is the character him or her self I can't tell what it is it kinda looks like a zombie ducky. I'm assuming with the inspiration to this game that it's a robot or someone in a super suit but it looks nothing of the sort.
Other than that it is still just a work in progress so I'm curious to see where it goes from here :3 good luck and I'll have more feed back for you later!
Wasn't sure where to post my thoughts sooooooo yeah, sorry ^_^;;

CorpseGrinderClock Sent Feb 21, 2014

It'll be interesting in particular to see how the button behaviors affect gameplay
MentalMaestro Sent Feb 21, 2014
Well hello, this is unexpected. A game over a year in the making? I would be honored to test it! In my experience, Deviantart is home to some of the best talent out there, and I love games that challenge the mind.
As for my feedback: in my opinion, reviews are designed to help the artist/designer improve and learn. Without honest details about what a person liked or disliked, there can be no improvement.

PlainJake Sent Feb 21, 2014
Well hi Amanda,
I'm glad you took my review well I was worried I was being a bit strong but I would like to see your game at its fullest. I'm very interested in the future of 8-bit style gaming and would love to give some feed back on your game.
hope it becomes a hit.
a.k.a. Jake
RealFaction Sent Feb 21, 2014
love his music, i like his dancy stuff. I'm sure you all will figure out something, he has potential
RealFaction Sent Feb 21, 2014
yeah its unfortunate. Also nice beta, but i prefer the old music over the new, new music isn't as appealing to me imo. Other than that good job guys
At 5 minutes ago, MakeGamesHappen wrote:Ah. Have you seen that video of lady gaga playing piano at a concert before she was a crazy pop star?
I think what happens with a lot of artists is they eventually give up trying to be themselves and realize that if
they want popularity they have to do something intentionally attention grabbing. For attention's sake. Rather than
for art's sake. It is sad. But if you look at a lot of popular music. It is all about selling an image and a life-style.
The music seems to come second.

I would say techno is one of the few genres that music comes first. But even that has your candy-kid raver culture tied to it. But raver culture usually is about putting the music first. But then again, raving spans multiple generations and the old school ones may have different opinions than the new ones.

(-John Mark)

Kamica Sent Feb 21, 2014
1. Maybe ask the reviewers what they think in general about it =P. You could for example ask them "Did you think these messages motivated you to prove the game wrong?" My answer to that would be: No =P.
There are games on Newgrounds which do the negative feedback in a very good way, for example the game "Give Up" plays very nicely on this, from memory, it basically tells you that it's okay to give up etc. Which sorta feels like they're telling you "Don't worry, not everybody can be awesome" which makes people want to prove it wrong. Furthermore, saying stuff like "You'll never make this level!" etc. probably work better, rather than having reactionary insults, perhaps have pro-active "demotivations", where the system is basically telling you that you can't do it, and you should give up, rather than punishing you for failing, make the game try to persuade the person to not even try, if you understand what I mean? I believe Portal occasionally did the same as well.
2. Got any suggestions on what to use for the video?
3. Cool.
4. Okay =P.
5. Maybe add a score or time mechanic to it then? I believe why bejeweled and other "mind-numbing" games are fun, are because they do produce a bit of challenge, but everyone can win it, just not everyone can win it as fast, or with as many points =P. I'm not entirely sure though, haven't played many of those games.
And game designers are allowed to sound a bit cynical at times =P. Just don't over do it XD.
On another note, from now on, I'll probably only be able to test the game etc. in weekends, 'cause I'll be busy with my course through the week.
Thanks for reading,
Sander Kleven.

vampiretodd Sent Feb 21, 2014
Yes, yes they do. Well maybe not everyone.........Still, their music is awesome! Their newer albums however aren't as good though. \M/
At 1 day ago, MakeGamesHappen wrote:Everyone listens to Metallica. :P
(-John Mark)

At 7 hours ago, vampiretodd wrote:I rather take my time......yeah no I'm not going to rely on some sort of satanist ritual just to get really good at something. I'll rely on voodo :P

XD jk by any chance do you listen to Metallica?
Coop Sent Feb 21, 2014
I'll look at it tomorrow, I'm just logging off for bed now
Coop Sent Feb 21, 2014
Sure, I'd be up for that - send me some more info and I can get started.

Errr, I got the password from above, but not the link to where the file is actually located... sorry!

Imp-beast Sent Feb 21, 2014
didn't expect Dr. Who there in a gif XD
first impressions, I like the fact you can plunge in.
It's very intuitive when it comes to moving around, doesn't hold your hand nor does it need to.
I played about 3 levels to get a feel for it, level 10 which led me to another level where a 90* brick falls tetris style
and I had to find the exit, then I figured out I could click the "D" button and the lil flare destroyed the boxes ( had killed myself in that regard before ) but thiis made things easier to clear the skull bricks and go on to the EXIT!
also I like teh fact it didnt lag, it loaded up fast, movement was smooth, no problem timing my jumps ( and I suck at platformers but being the masochist I am I play anyway)
I dunno if you guys have seen the live action japanese movie called GANTZ where players are cynically insulted
as they win or fail. I dig that! even if I died like 67 times in the three levels, it made me want to continue playing.
I like the retro graphics and particle effects too. if you worry about instructions here is my foreseeable predictions!
judging your basic newgrounder the main complainst would be something like this
"insert some random complaint about no info available cuz I like to have things digested for me" and
( sorry went off tangent but I see these a lot!) encourage the sense of gamesploring!
I also think youtuber Markiplier should take a look at this game, he has asked indie game developers to send him games to test or try out, and he is very likely ( if he likes it enough, or has an open schedule he might do a review which = more players more bonus fun for you guys, for love of the game or for profit etc it's always good imho butting in)
final impressions
graphics: i dig retro
replayability: 3.5 stars
OF COURSE! I don't let an AI talk to me that way and get away with it!
though I might veer off to another game hen return to it
music? in due time I am listening to the one in *cosmic clicks which blended with this game
game play:
arrows to move "d" to activate the explody powers "r"to restart very intuitive.
unlike the game I played by Luis about Pico where the jump button is the "S" and its next to the fire button,
it was coded for left handed people, I always like it when they let you choose the WASD or Arrow keys options
in this game I am pleased cuz I like arrow keys ( no danger of hitting shift etc )
I dig the game mechanics, plus i like the u fail messages.
I only found one bug! I didnt want to hit "R" because I wanted to send you the screen cap
after I cleared the nasty skull bricks I fell but I didnt get the , you lose message here
I just sat there at the bottom ( intentional? yes no? ) I cant progress, so maybe you count that as a death so
I can start?
misc info:
Browser used: Chrome
screencap application from the chrome extensions
other tabs open are running playdom avengers game and 3 NG tabs of games and this
so let me knwo if ths info was useful

Imp-beast Sent Feb 21, 2014
sure send me the link and I will gladly play it!
I loved that game :D
hope I'm not l;ate I mean it be nice to beta stuff round here after so much time playing!
PVL Sent Feb 21, 2014
LOL Its Joe Estevez playing Rocket Ranger Dan Danger from the film (if i'm not mistaken) "Crimes of the Chupacabra" XD
thanks for the new info, is there anything specific you would like me to cover? or should I just run though the game? test all the triggers? i've tested simplistic games and troll stuff, I really want to do a proper job for you guys ^_^ so tell me what else needs to get done and i'll do it :D
sincerely, PVL
SpaceDazee Sent Feb 21, 2014
Hey there MakeGamesHappen (Amanda)
I was surprised to get this message, I've never been offered beta testing like this before x3
I would love to do beta testing for your game.
I know how important constructive feedback is to shaping an enjoyable game.
So, PM away, I look forward to playing.
If I have any other questions, I'll be sure to let you know.

Countchunko Sent Feb 21, 2014http://youtu.be/4_uNii6Jnh4
Here's the link to the video, sorry if that took a little but i had no screen capture device and i'm kinda suspicious when downloading unknown softwares nowdays..
I'll take another quick look at the levels to see if there's more to be revealed, then i'll post them on the news section as you requested. I'd skip the deviant art thing though if that doesn't change much to you, i'm a stubborn NG'er and don't like that much to register or sign up on the web if that's not mandatory, hope that's not a problem.
Signing out, Marco.
You are very welcome. It is why I was brought on board.
Anyways, yes, your thoughts on color theory and all are exactly what is taught in many advanced art classes. The primary pigment colors are Red Yellow and Blue, but Green takes the place of Yellow in the light spectrum. and in either case, Green is the singular Neutral color, neither warm or cool. Magenta borders on Neutral as well, but the neutral magenta is like, maybe 1-3 degrees on the hue scale. Maybe.
Side note that might not do with anything, printers use the secondary colors of the light spectra, Cyan(B+G), Magenta(B+R), Yellow(R+G) and Black. Due to the way light works, the secondary colors blend back into primary colors, whereas pigments would not. It's wierd, there's a lot of science involved in explaining the process.
As far as drawing the eye to the starting position, you could do a zoom like on death, in reverse, starting in closeup, and then panning back immediately. It's a thought, if other people like the zoom function that's already in play, but just having a circle close in on the player and disappear quickly would be adequate at least as a placeholder until a better concept comes along. Just an idea, and I'm wholly not expecting it to be taken into account. It's your game, and I'm happy to be a part of it.
Inquisitorical-Lad Sent Feb 21, 2014
It's at a level where even if you know the timing and what to do, you still need 100% precision or you'll die :) I can do it 1 of 5 times.
Dizimz Sent Feb 21, 2014
I understand, I know first hand that one wrongly positioned curly bracket can cause the game to implode. Ill buckle down and play the hell outta this tonight/tomorrow
Zerodius Sent Feb 21, 2014
It was a pleasure to write this review for you. I will post it on the page as you suggested.
If you wish me to write additional reviews (either because you want me to elaborate on something) or want me to review future versions, be sure to tell me.
One final criticism, still: as I stated in my review, the idea of putting in bombs with the mouse is actually quite interesting. If you intend to remove it from the final game, I still recommend you keep that mechanic in mind for a future game.
Siamorain Sent Feb 21, 2014

Thanks for clarifying the controls, i didn't even think that the debug controls wouldn't appear in the final version so i took for granted those flareboxes, and without them the levels become actually challenging, as it should rightfully be.
I do agree with you about the default levels being a sort of tutorial, and the signs as explanation on what to do are just perfect for everyone, noobs or cocky hardcore gamers alike.
I tried the new levels and they seem to be pretty fine, eventually got stuck here and there but still able to understand what i was missing/ doing wrong in the end (besides levels 10-12 in the twitch hard pack where the guy spawns on the top left tile, and level 13 where i couldn't just climb higher).
I found a couple of small bugs here and there: lvl 3 on Puzzle Hard, the very first jump to get out may have the guy killed by the falling blocks even high in the air, and lvl 17 on Hard like Hell where i jumped and slipped through the falling ceiling, it looks like while the tiles are stepping down they can either be in the same spot as the guy, thus killing him, or be intangible for a brief second letting him move over. I also coulnd't solve the mentioned level (17H), i can't get to the last button before the tile burns it, no matter what i do.
By the way i was thinking, should the flarebox mechanic be left out the actual game, and i wouldn't complain about it, it could easily work wonders for an eventual sequel/expansion, i found this levels pretty addicting as they are :D
Running out of news so i'll close this here, i'll be still fooling around while waiting the next update hunting for bugs and nasty stuff xD
Cheers, Marco.

Radeshtka Sent Feb 21, 2014
Ah, excellent! I thought it would be today. something made me check. excellent. Providence! now for puzzle mode. mmmmm delicius. i once sovled three or four super tetris puzzles without using all the pieces. this ought to be interesting.
LadyIshtar17 Sent Feb 21, 2014
I'm sorry, I didn't thank you for allowing me to beta test the game. It was very interesting, to say the least.

Inquisitorical-Lad Sent Feb 21, 2014
My contribution to TimeFcuk.(it's not easy)

Sent Feb 21, 2014 Sent Feb 21, 2014
Hey John,
I don't get levelmap04 on Default.
Nothing to break before getting blown up, nowhere to stand to prevent being blown up.
The lighting is still pretty weird around the skull tiles blue on blue is fair if there's one on top, but when there's 6 on top they're impossible to see.

supabamman Sent Feb 21, 2014
I would be more than happy to beta test your game. I cant believe somebody actually read my review. My name is Ben and I sent a friend request to your account. Just give me a shout when you would like me to start the beta testin'. I hope to hear from you again.
Dizimz Sent Feb 21, 2014
Ive played a few levels so far, a very interesting game, Ill certainly play a lot more over the weekend and provide more constructive comments around then good work tho!

Cool, I'll try it

Kamica Sent Feb 21, 2014
Well, since there's a new version, I'll just start adding more feedback shall I? =P.
First off, I personally don't like it when a game is mocking me or insulting me when I fail at something, I find it rude and unprofessional, instead complimentary messages (Messages telling you to keep trying etc. Like Amnesia had).
I'd like to know what the reasoning behind this was =).
Hmm, I believe in level 15, I just ran into the side of the large moving pillar, and clipped to the top of it (I only just hit the side, one block below the top) It was moving down at this point.
The "Default" levels don't seem like they all fit in a tutorial bit, only the first few do.
Insultingly easy was sometimes truly trivial, and I'm wondering why some levels are even there (Sometimes less is more when it comes to levels.), though some levels weren't actually all that easy, some were relatively tricky.
My suggestion would be to cul the trivial levels, I personally don't believe many people will get any enjoyment out of them, and some people might even think they're a waste of time.
Levelmap04P (to me) seems impossible, it seems like it definitely requires skill, not necessarily large brains... or I'm just solving it the wrong way... Quite a few of the levels from that list are largely skill based, and not really that brain intensive I found.
Level 10T starts me in the top-right courner of the screen, stuck.
I'm sorry John, but it does seem that on average, JoshicusLD's levels seem to be of a higher quality to me than yours. I can't quite put my finger on what's the problem, but I think it kind of feels... organised?
So basically: Some bugs, try to be nice and perhaps convince JoshicusLD to to make a few more levels, it'd be better for the game I reckon. Also just to be clear. I'm not trying to hurt you John, I merely, from a proffessional point of view, find JoshicusLD's levels to be better than the ones you designed.
Thanks for reading,
Sander Kleven.

EcchiKitty Sent Feb 21, 2014
Okay, so I played t hrough the game to beta test it out. Naturally, things are still a little rough and in need of polish, but nothing too major. It did take me a little while to clue in what was part of the game to be tested, and what was editing helpers to assist me.
First up, the music was good. Not something I'm likely to buy a CD of, but it suited the gameplay just fine, didn't distract or annoy me. Sound effects similarly suited the game just fine, different effects were distinct while still maintaining a general theme.
Graphics were simple, but suited the gameplay just fine. Were a few things I had to mess with a little as wasn't obvious what they were supposed to be, but that is a bit of the charm. My only real trouble was things blending into the background, most the switch/triggers, and the little skull-box things. I'm sure on occasion the skulls were supposed to be a little hard to spot, but is something to keep in mind.
Game play worked fine. Controls were simple, and typically smooth. The occasional time with a lot happening where things would lag a little, but that was an exception to a general rule. Also had the occasional problem of swift reactions, but likely more my computer than your game. In all the physics engine or whatever is pretty solid.
I won't currently take the time to review each level individually. In general, they were pretty good. A few I could right away spot the solution and run through it, generally I had to try something, see the reaction, which killed me, and then try a second or third time to puzzle my way through. A few I could see the answer, but getting to it quick enough took a couple tries. Generally on a level of challenging, but not frustrating. Were a couple levels where I 'cheated', placing explosives to clear an area out before I got to it, or set off a reaction early, or something. And were a rare few levels I just couldn't manage. Maybe I just didn't 'get' the puzzle, maybe there's a critical error that makes them impossible as is, but I had to fiddle quite a bit to get through them. These were however pretty rare. And were I to play though again, think are some I'd have a better understanding of now.
In all, I enjoyed the game. You seem to have a pretty solid product, and are well on your way to a winner. You also seem to have all the tools in place to make a series out of it. A little graphics editing, make up some new levels, and you have a Beach theme version. Or 4th of July special. Or a Christmas release. Whatever. Might even give players the ability to build and share their own levels.

Kamica Sent Feb 21, 2014
Well, now you have =P. You've only never heard of something up until the point you hear about it, right?
Anyway, if memory serves me right, Hotline Miami seems like a successful game, having high scores from reviewers, I definitely wouldn't put this as the lower bar for what you want to achieve. Reaching for the stars is fine, just don't over do it.
Also, I'm currently studying for my Bachelors of Software Engineering =D. (Focussed on games).
Thanks for reading,
Sander Kleven.

WarpZone  Sent Feb 21, 2014
Is it true that a lot of the levels you already built no longer work because you refactored the core mechanics?
That doesn't seem very smart to me.
If I may propose a design for future versions: Include with the level data what version of the gameplay it was designed for. For example, if the old way buttons worked was Version 2 and this new beta is Version 3, the game reads which Version it is and then makes the buttons work the way they did in that Version.
This is kinda a pain to implement, but once you have the code in place, all of your levels are now future-proof, and you never need to waste development man-hours on refactoring broken levels again!

Sent Feb 21, 2014
Okay, I doubled back and hit up a few levels that were the primary causes of lag.
- With Sound and lights: Hangups that were the cause of death.
- No sound: The game did hang up quite often, but mainly when the game was trying to render the deaths coming from me trying to blow everything up at once.
- No Lights: The game hung up when there were many explosions happening, but the screen was able to keep up and skip some frames, keeping particularly horrendous lag out of the mix.
- With neither, there was absolutely no lag on my end, and the game was liquid smooth.
Your thoughts on progression sound solid, thank you.
Another thought on lighting was that it seemed maybe it was because when the lights were gone, it was absolutely dark evertywhere, and near-black insta-death bombs were hiding amongst a black everything.
Color progression sounds good, but my gut reaction would be to start with cool colors and go towards red, because warm colors lend a natural tension to things. Just my take on it.
I think the zoom is fine, all in all, but the problem was that sometimes when there were about 6-7 explosions happening at once, it was hard to decipher which part of the screen was me. That and the kick to level introduction screen kind of slowed things down enough to kind of underline frustration, especially after the seventh death in that same area.
played the game once while listening to BoneDance. Was a nice fit. Although something a little less "Tribal" might be more appropriate to the setting laid out by the graphical presentation.

Numeris1672 Sent Feb 21, 2014
I'll send a report but not today, I'm VERY busy today with doctors and school.
And I just found the picture once, saved it and just happened to find it. Google search something or you can add art/artwork after it and you might be surprised what you find.

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